and at this point republicans have done the same thing mitt romney was doing. $800 billion in new revenues from unspecified chose urs. the time for that is past. i'm glad they're coming with a counteroffer. they have to put specifics on the table. >> tony, under any circumstances, as you sit here right now, are republicans going to agree to let tax rates increa increase? >> look, i find that almost impossible for republicans to do, at least before december 31. i think everyone understands that it is the single thing that the president wants more than anything else. you can sack rifice just about anything to get the top two rates. so i don't see republicans getting on that issue. i think what you are seeing, and i do give credit to speaker boehner for rising above, bring in the proposal yesterday and getting the full republican leadership onboard, talking about specific numbers and maybe see the beginnings of the con turp of an eventual agreement. but it's just not going to cut -- i don't see how it comes before december 31st and it's going to have to happen. not going to take an active vot